Episode
37
October 13, 2025

How to Get Your CRM Right (and Why It Matters More Than You Think)

CRM issues cost home service businesses more time, money, and momentum than most owners realize. Whether you're dealing with a messy migration, unreliable data, or frustrated team members who won't adopt the software, the root problem often isn't the platform—it's the process.

In this episode of Catalyst for the Trades, hosts Jennifer Bagley and Chuck Staszkiewicz speak with Celia Church, founder of Smart Service Solutions, about the hard truths behind CRM implementation in the trades. Celia works with contractors every day to untangle broken systems, clean up data, and train teams to actually use the tools they’re investing in.

If your CRM feels more like a liability than a growth driver, this conversation outlines exactly how to turn it into a powerful, performance-driven asset.

Why This Episode Is Worth Your Time

Many contractors adopt new technology with good intentions—then struggle to realize its value. Celia Church shares practical guidance from hundreds of successful (and unsuccessful) CRM projects across the trades.

You’ll learn how to:

  • Avoid the common mistakes that stall CRM projects
  • Build a cleaner, more usable data foundation
  • Train your team for long-term adoption
  • Use automation and AI to simplify daily operations

What You’ll Learn in This Episode

CRM Migrations: Where Most Businesses Get Stuck

CRM transitions often fail because key steps are skipped:

  • Data mapping is incomplete
  • Imports are not validated
  • Outdated habits are forced into new systems

Celia breaks down a smarter migration process that reduces errors and improves long-term outcomes.

Dirty Data: The Growth Problem You Can’t See

Inaccurate job types, inconsistent records, and missing customer details all lead to false reports—and poor decisions.

Celia explains how to build data integrity into your CRM from day one, and why “garbage in, garbage out” is more than just a saying.

The Process That Makes CRM Work

A successful CRM rollout doesn’t start with software. It starts with:

  • Clean, mapped data
  • Structured training
  • Clear expectations
  • A trial period for feedback and adjustments

Miss any of these, and you’re likely to end up right back where you started.

Training Is the Difference

Software only works when people know how to use it. Celia shares:

  • What effective CRM training looks like
  • Why most training fails
  • How to make onboarding stick—without overwhelming your team

What AI and Automation Are Actually Doing Right Now

AI isn't just a future concept—it’s already improving CRM workflows for service businesses:

  • Call summaries
  • Automated follow-ups
  • Job classification
  • Workflow triggers

Celia outlines what’s working now and where tech is headed next.

Avoid Workarounds—Build Real Workflows

Trying to bend your new CRM to mimic your old one? That approach often backfires.

Learn how using the platform as designed leads to:

  • More accurate reporting
  • Less user error
  • Better long-term results

Hiring Smart: Fractional Expert vs. Full-Time CRM Admin

When you need implementation done right, internal hires aren’t always the answer. Celia explains:

  • When to bring in a fractional consultant
  • How to evaluate outside expertise
  • What to expect in terms of timeline, cost, and ROI

What It Means for Your Business

This isn’t about buying new tech. It’s about building a foundation that supports faster decision-making, better team alignment, and profitable growth. If your CRM is underused—or worse, undermining your operations—it’s time to fix the system and get real value from your tools.

Listen to the Full Episode

You'll walk away with practical, immediately usable strategies to:

  • Clean up your CRM
  • Train your team with confidence
  • Automate repeat tasks
  • Improve your reporting
  • Reduce rework and frustration

Stream Catalyst for the Trades on your preferred podcast platform and start turning your CRM into a tool that works for your business—not against it.

Meet Your Hosts

Jennifer Bagley
Jennifer Bagley is the CEO and founder of CI Web Group, an AI-enabled marketing agency helping home service businesses achieve exceptional growth. With over 15 years of experience, she has led companies to significantly increase their leads and revenue through innovative strategies and emerging technologies. Her 12 Step Roadmap to Accelerated Results is a trusted framework for HVAC, plumbing, and electrical companies looking to expand their markets and achieve lasting success.

Chuck Staszkiewicz
Chuck is an accomplished entrepreneur and growth strategist, renowned for scaling All Hours Plumbing into a $20 million industry leader before its successful sale in 2023. A co-founder of The Opus & Golds Group, he helps companies grow through innovative strategies and operational excellence. Through his work, Chuck continues to inspire entrepreneurs to achieve their highest potential.

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Guests

Celia Church
Smart Service Solutions